According to Professor Jiang, who forecast in 2024 that Donald Trump would win the Presidential Election and that the U.S. would enter into a war with Iran, who does he forecast will win this war?
If you watch the video, you will hear his prediction based on using Game Theory. While it does seem that the U.S. and Israel have certainly destroyed most of the Iranian Navy and a great deal of military sites and equipment, Iran has basically shutdown the Straits of Hormuz with a stunning 84-90% decline in ship traffic in just the past few days.
I would enjoy hearing your comments and opinions on the video interview below.
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This will be a pure catastrophe.
Yeah, well when these maniacs in the west have their backs to the wall at the behest of that madman in Israel – A nuclear bomb will fix it! 💣
BTW, in my rural town, diesel jumped from AUD$1.97Ltr to AUD$2.19Ltr overnight.
That is: AUD$7.45GLN to AUD$8.28Gln
Talk about pump price gouging!!!
RedOpal,
WOW… that is a BIG INCREASE. And as you likely heard, Qatar finally shut in its entire LNG Production Facility that will take 2 weeks to get back online. So, if this US-Israel-Iran conflict continues for another 2-3 weeks, we will likely see MASSIVE ENERGY INFLATION across the board because even Coal prices have surged higher.
steve
RO, my friend, who is ‘that madman in Israel’ whom you think controls the ‘maniacs in the west’? Do you refer to the Israeli prime minister?
If so, please help me understand how we come to have such wildly divergent narratives.
As a Jew with a biblical moral foundation and who has tried to keep decently informed on these matters, I find that I find myself shocked and dismayed upon seeing the rise of the ‘Jews control the west and seek a greater Israel empire and genocide of their neighbors’ narrative. Of course, that may not even remotely be your view, and if that is the case, I certainly apologize.
But surely we can do better than to deal in such inflammatory, preaching-to-the-home-team talking points as those, which I think are easily shown to be at best doubtful in light if the available evidences.
Well, LittleSteve, with great respect, I made no reference to the “Man’s” race or religion.
It could be any MAN!!!!!!
Okay, so who is that man? I wasn’t taking your words as you personally being antisemitic, since I do not know you well and we have had very cordial communications on this platform… but your words seems to me to be often also on the lips of those embracing what seem to me to be deficient analyses and very antisemitic tropes.
Whoever is the ‘madman’ you have in mind, I would like to hear who he is and why you describe him that way.
If he is PM Netanyahu, since current Israeli foreign policy is demonstrably supported by a large majority of Israelis plus many diaspora Jews (such as I) and also perhaps millions of evangelical Christians… are we all ‘madmen’?
You are putting words in my mouth.
That is victim behaviour!
Respectfully to Jiang’s fans, I think his analyses are highly deficient on many fronts.
As far as Jiang’s great prognosticatory feats, the first two (that Trump would win the 2024 election and that during his term the US would be at war with the Islamic Republic of Iran) were low hanging fruit, within easy reach even of the wokesters. But as for his third prediction (that the US will lose to Iran)… that seems so unlikely, where to begin?
Petrodollar? There never really was any such thing, and anyway there certainly isn’t any ‘USD-only oil exchange’ at this time for any war to disrupt.
Iran currently bombarding the gulf states and Israel? Not so much, actually.
Regime change practically impossible for the US to accomplish? The proposition itself begs the question, ‘is that the goal’? I think the goal is far more nuanced and involves a broader strategic play to turn key China allies toward western interests; the US does not intend to bring about regime change in Iran… if the Iranian people bring that about, very well then; but if they do not, then the result will still likely be a more pliable and less dangerous Iran.
Since 1979, the IRGC and the mullahs have been declaring ‘death’ to the US and to Israel, and these evil actors have directed their resources toward that end all over the world. It is high time that those they wish to target put an end to the real and present danger, especially seeing as Iran’s military capacity had been growing even more threatening and Iran also represented an important strategic ally to China, which in some ways represents the more general world wide threat.
Well said. This is Chinese propaganda. The U S is arming the Kurds to be their boots on the ground. The Iran regime is done as it should be. No other president has had the balls to deal with it.
The ugliness and hypocrisy of the statements both you and littlesteve made are off the charts.
The Kurds? LMAO. So the mighty US will use another sheeple proxy to do their killing? And you want to talk about balls? Trump is a bitch baby with a nuclear military….and the whole world knows it.
Who are either of you or this entire country to say who can or cannot have whatever they want as a military or arms. Iran hasn’t invaded anyone in 2,000 years.
The whole awake planet knows the Jews are the problem here. Netanyahu has been begging for this since the early 90s. They have been claiming a nuclear threat out of Iran for 40 years. This whole operation is based on lies designed to make you feel morally superior…to make you feel like some kind of “good guy.”
Go ahead and stick your heads up your asses and pretend that the Jewish lobby hasn’t been spending millions of dollars buying off the whores in DC. “You can deny reality for so long but you cannot deny the consequences of reality.”
This is a play of desperation designed to try and control energy markets to put the squeeze on China. The US will pay big time for this move. That New York candy-ass has lived on room service his entire life. He thinks he can meet his objectives without any pain or major fallout, and he has his faithful huffing that hopium. Time will tell…..and it is way too early to be taking any victory laps. The US occupied Afghanistan for 20+ years and left it the same way they found it. You will not control Iran from the air, and boots on the ground will be a complete disaster.
bshirley — Thank you for that. I read your words twice. Good medicine for my brain and attitude regarding the latest in a series of charades being played out. Imagine spending two trillion dollars, only to replace the Taliban with the Taliban. The whole damned thing is a disgusting mess. That so much is made of The Donald “he is playing 4 dimensional chess!” — well, no, just casual observation indicates this guy is economically illiterate — I recall the Day of Liberation and he’s holding up that placard regarding reciprocal tariffs… Absent a context, each of those percent tariffs associated with sundry nations was contrived theater. A tariff is a tax and only individuals pay (Or, from whom, are confiscated) taxes. It gets really tiring after awhile. Again, thank you for your commentary.
LittleSteve,
Good comments. Yes, who knows if Jiang’s Third Forecast will come true. However, he isn’t the only one saying that. There are many ex-US military and ex-CIA saying the same thing.
I think the best way to look at the possible success of this Military Operation, is from past experiences. So, LittleSteve, how well did the U.S. do in Vietnam, Iraq, & Afghanistan? How much military hardware and equipment did we leave behind in Afghanistan when we exited the country quickly?
So, maybe Jiang’s analysis my not be deficient on many fronts when U.S. Military History has provided us with some pretty good CLUEs… NO?
steve
My understanding is that the TET offensive was a major strategic military victory for the US, put the VC on the back foot and turned the tide of the war. But Walter Cronkite and some others suppressed that information and spun the events to the American people hard against the war effort, and the White House did not effectively provide a set-the-record-straight counter narrative.
I was never sanguine on the US military neocon, globalist driven actions in Iraq and Afghanistan, and I am not surprised by the outcomes of those engagements.
But I am strongly in favor of even more robust US military action in the middle east to promote American, Israeli and all Judeo Christian interests (including rule of law, strong national identity and robust trade alliances) including the current action. Likewise, I think Iran will indeed be effectively pacified.
As for the comments of ex CIA and military, who knows their motives? Upon inspection, many prove to be woke TDS sufferers who feel, knee jerk, they must say no when Trump says yes, etc. Likewise, some who seemed to be speaking this way are part of a coordinated ‘fog of war’ effort to give Iran and its allies false signals, just as seems to have been done during the final negotiations when some generals and ex CIA guys said that the US is not prepared to successfully pull off a military action; do you not think that at least some of that messaging was part of the strategy? We have seen this technique used repeatedly, even between Trump and Netanyahu, to suggest the false appearance of distance between the two… and then came the 12 day war, etc.
But, as you say, we shall soon see.
LittleSteve,
Again, excellent comments.
I will reply with one of my own opinions about Spreading American-Israeli & Judeo Christian interests. I don’t have a problem with the “Spreading Of Religion” just like the Mormons do when they send missionaries to assist people across the world. The problem I have is when we use 2,000 pound bombs, sanctions and starvation to SPREAD THE WORD. I think Jesus would be very upset of what he sees happening in the Middle East by those who believe THEY ARE SPEADING HIS WORD.
Lastly, if we think Killing the Shia Muslim version of the Catholic Pope, the Iranian Supreme Leader, will bring Shia Muslims together… maybe that wisdom is seriously flawed because I am hearing Shia and Sunni now coming together against what they call the Great Satan, just like MAGA and the Left Liberals coming together if the same happened in the United States.
Isn’t it amazing how the world works… WHEN WE PUT OURSELVES IN THE OTHER’S SHOES???
Matthew 7:12 (The Golden Rule): “So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you”.
steve
AMEN!
Okay, I see I must here clarify, since Steve, RedOpal and others appear top be misunderstanding me when I use certain terms.
‘Jewish’ is, first and foremost, a matter of national (that is, ethnic identity, and I am NOT here using ‘Jewish’ is any other way.
I am using ‘Judeo-Christian’ as a reference to the core western values that underpin the western worldview and institutions of law, economy and politics; again, I do not in the slightest mean spiritual allegiance to Moses or to Jesus, or any religious practice of any kind.
As far as Matthew 7:12, that was said to disciples and not to the civil authority. Respectfully, let’s make a right distinction.
Let’s also keep in mind that the bible tells us that civil government is an institution established by God, and that wielding the sword against those who violate the property rights (person, possessions and liberties) of the citizens or one’s allies is indeed squarely within the God given authority of that civil government. Thus, it seems to me to be highly appropriate and even long over due for the US to attack and destroy the Iranian Islamic Republic regime, having already murdered about 900 US citizens since 1979 and having sworn to (and prepared to) do far worse, and also having done plenty against our allies.
Thank you for the healthy interaction.
“Yes, who knows if Jiang’s Third Forecast will come true.”
That the U.S. [and Israelis] will lose the skirmish/battle/incursion into Iran?
I think “lose” has to be better defined. Like what 5 points [arbitrary number] define losing? Jang named a couple in a nebulous way, as if Iran could easily accomplish them.
Regardless, without competent and numerous trained boots on the ground [the citizenry has gone two generations in submission without firearms; I don’t think even armed they could fight the loyalists in the IRG].
Boots on the ground would need to:
1] Confiscate firearms/weapons of those who are loyal to this religious fanaticism, then draft/train a secular citizenry in at least basic fighting skills. Like a very large national guard/standing army.
2] Locate and confiscate the alleged 60% enriched uranium, and another alledged 20% cache. That allegation came from one of the U.S. negotiators who stated on a live interview that was mentioned by Iran; that they had that and could enrich it into weapons grade in a relatively short number of weeks.
Taking out Iran’s ability to create and deliver nuclear weapons is one thing. This operation, Epic Fury, is very ambitious to say the least.
All the Iranians have to do is survive and they win.
If you…an average guy… go 10 rounds with Tyson, and at the end you are still standing, by anyone’s standards you won. You may have gotten beat all to hell, but to still be standing means you more than proved your worth.
To claim a win, the US has to see Iran completely transformed, and that is a tall order. It will require a massive ground force and occupation. Doubt that is going to happen. The only win for Tyson when fighting the average guy is a complete KO. Anything less and he lost.
Good Lord … this man simply carpet bombed the entire sham theater of this latest “war” and its profiteers. To call the US stock market a ponzi is dead on. Then, to ensure that his job was complete, he dropped H-Bombs over targets including: Trump, The Illuminati: The Vatican (Jesuits), Sabbatean Frankists (Control Israel) The Freemasons (National Security of the USA). All accomplished in 15 minutes. Well done.
I don’t know; I’m asking:
How much of this ” The Illuminati: The Vatican (Jesuits), Sabbatean Frankists (Control Israel) The Freemasons (National Security of the USA).” is conspiracy theories versus fact?
There have ALWAYS been very powerful, very wealthy men in the world. They mingle with those of like wealth and power. They have information they only share with their kind. They see themselves as apart from the “unwashed” masses.
The Rothschilds were world renowned for their network of spies and information channels. Power and wealth give you access to information that is not available to the masses. They like to keep it that way.
Societies of uber powerful and wealthy people have always existed….and they are very close to the vest and secretive about their dealings and information sources. Societies…..secretive.
Call them what you like but they have always existed and definitely do today.
‘Sabbatean Frankists (Control Israel)’?
Really?
It seems that the dialog on this forum has become reduced to this and other deficient drivel I have encountered here such as ‘zionist globalism’ and ‘greater Israel’ and ‘the Jews have been set aside in favor of the church, and have no claim to that land’ and ‘Ashkenazi Jews are not true Israel’ and the fact free allegation that Netanyahu controls Trump.
These propositions are fact free antisemitic derangement to the hilt, and entirely unworthy of mature civil discourse. I am deeply disappointed in my fellow SRSRocco Report fans.
It was the interviewed person, professor Jiang, that stated “Sabbatien Frankists (control Israel). I referred to that, his comments about what Freemasons and Jesuits control as possible conspiracy theory. I think for Jiang to state that weakens the points he makes.
There have been secret societies for thousands of years, but Jiang doesn’t know who controls what.
The above was in Jiang’s talk starting about the 14:20 point, preceeded by his general statement about secret societies.
It’s also in the transcript of his words (which isn’t a perfect translation).
Well, I wasn’t around during WW1 and WW11, those who were, had to decide which narrative they believed in, the narrative of Churchill, or the narrative of Hitler.
However, I am now in the position of having to make a similar decision on whether to believe either Netanyahu or TRUMP – I don’t believe either and it has nothing to do with Race or Religion.
Well, hindsight is 20/20 and we were lied to….big time.
Churchill was a pig or massive proportions. Anyone who allied themselves with Stalin and bragged about it is a monster of humanity…and that goes for that pig FDR as well.
I certainly believe world events are moving towards the end when Jesus will return. Whether or not these shadowy groups and government officials are actively working towards it, I have no idea.
‘Regime Change’ is, at this point, the stated objective by DJT. Influence: Zionists and Neocons, with which he has surrounded himself. Regime Change has a history of failure. Regime Change in Ukraine ousted the legitimately elected head of state, resulting in the prevailing of the Bandera Nazis, which proceeded to strike the Russian speaking population of the Donbas, moving the potential NATO incursion to the Russian border. This created an existential threat for Russia. Regarding countries (Arab) in the Middle East, Iraq and Lybia are examples. The head of state was removed, the ‘regime change’ was, in fact, an unleashing of chaos. In Afghanistan, the Taliban were ‘regime changed’ only to return and again run the country. Regime Change in S.Vietnam (Diem) ultimately failed. Regime change in Iran (1953) resulted in an emperor (the Shah) leading to suppression of dissent. The result was the theocracy. I could go back two centuries, listing regime change failures and the chaos which followed. There are no successes. I’ll end the comment here, it merely scratches the surface.
Not_GeorgeT,
Looks like humankind never learns from history.
steve
Hello Not_,
As a proud zionist Jew, I wish to point out that ‘zionist’ is our term, and it means the view that we natural descendants of Israel have the right to return to, and repossess our God given inheritance; no more, no less.
Zionism, per se, has nothing to do with foreign regime change, ‘greater Israel,’ world domination, control of the world’s banking or any of the other demonstrably false and antisemitic garbage currently being circulated. While you may not personally embrace any of those views (and I hope you do not) ‘zionist’ is certainly often used with those in view.
Are some Jews globalists or even neocon globalists? Sure. But so what? I repeat: Zionism, properly understood, has zero to do with any of that, except in the minds of the inadequately informed and the antisemitic.
I respectfully request that you and all people reconsider using ‘zionist’ in any manner other than its native meaning. If you wish to criticize us, do so respectfully and on the merits, using terms specific to the views or behaviors you think you identify, and which you think are problematic.
Like I have told you many times, go read Deuteronomy 28-30. The God you claim that gave you the land, took it from you and will give it to another more worthy people that come from every nation.
Read Matthew 8 and 21.
“Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord’s doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
And Abraham never…..NEVER….got the land that God promised to him. Did God lie? Absolutely not. Then what does that mean?
Hebrews 11:8-10 explains this….
“8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.”
Abraham didn’t care about that slice of undesirable dirt, why would you? He was looking for something much better….and eternal.
If you are going to claim a right from God, then you should really learn something about that God and His Word.
The whole narrative around the land of Palestine belonging to the Jews is based on a lie. What exist there today will be utterly destroyed….by God…just as He has done on several occasions. “Don’t build your nest in a forest slated for destruction.”
Prove me wrong.
How ridiculous to make that claim and kill people over it, when God is going to settle the matter, and nothing that exist there today will be the same when He gets done with it. Nor will it be a nation of Jews.
Hello BS,
I am happy to engage in a rigorous dialog with you over this matter of biblical interpretation. Set up a mutually acceptable venue and prepare to pursue the truth over what I can already see appear to me to be rather inadequately tested assumptions and very doubtful conclusions.
It seems to me that not one of the scriptures to which you appeal involves the native application you seem to think.
But you simply harping on as you do, without any apparent rigorous step by step exegetical effort for others to examine, does you no credit, and it certainly does nothing but reinforce my view that you have an agenda that you will defend, facts be damned.
“‘Regime Change’ is, at this point, the stated objective by DJT.
I haven’t heard Trump say that. I thought I heard the opposite.
If you can find a clip of Trump saying regime change was the stated objective, please post a link.
Well to begin with, he murdered the current leadership. And I am pretty sure today he stated that he will pick the new leader as he did in Venezuela.
He is openly calling for the Iranian people to rise up and take over their country from the current government.
It is pretty clear that one of the main objectives here is a new government that is more pliable and willing to kiss Western ass.
Around 2010-2012, I was involved in many technical AI projects at my Dutch University. I was targeted by many Iranian students who wanted to work with me. Some even brought their own scholarships. I interviewed a few and studied their CVs. These were very smart and highly educated students. Many with very strong operating system (read hacking) skills, others with strong applied physics skills. The interviewees were overly confident and arrogant, similar to some Israelis I’ve met. At some point, I had the impression that they were open to bribing me. (“We can make this very worthwhile to you”).
It stopped overnight when I indicated I did not need technical competence (which I already have), but strong conceptual thinkers in cognitive science.
In the same period, my students participated in RoboCup at Home, an international educational activity with a strong participation from Iran. My students participated multiple times in Iran (and sometimes won), but the Iranians were on par at least.
I’m sure that many of the applicants and those who competed against my students contributed to Iran’s missile and other defense development programs. I always worked in fields adjacent to military technology (we even use some obscure signal technology developed in military labs in the 1970’s, that was never officially disclosed, but was used in some obscure master’s theses in the nineties). And I helped develop underwater movement detection based on the fish lateral line. Ideal to detect swimmers or submarines in shallow water. I know some of the limits and features of military technology.
My point is that Iran is not technologically backward. On the contrary. Iran developed a cadre of highly competent electrical engineers and applied physicists almost 15 years ago, and I’m sure they have been busy.
The US never fought a near-peer adversary; I expect Iran to be such an adversary. They prepared for over 20 years for a situation like this. Unless the US and Israel have very good on-the-ground and human and military intelligence, I’m pretty sure that all nice US missiles hit empty facades and painted rocks as fake targets estimated from AI analyses of satellite images. Despite the over-the-top comments of the US Commander-in-Chief, minimal damage might be done (apart from the odd girl’s school or UNESCO World Heritage site).
In two weeks or so, when the US stocks are depleted or simply not where they are needed, Iran might be able to set the terms and negotiate at gunpoint with the Gulf states to develop a new security architecture that involves neither the US nor Israel nor the West in general.
The BRICS and the whole Global South will applaud this.
Empires are not defeated; they self-destruct through irrationality, unrealistic expectations, and belief in their own propaganda.
Tjeerd,
Appreciate your personal insights on this subject matter. I think Prof Jiang’s first reason why we attacked Iran, HUBRIS… is probably the biggest reason and the typical reason why Bloated Empires finally FALL due to HUBRIS.
steve
Its like empires just can’t help themselves at a certain point, and here we are, following the same failed empire script. When I lived in rural AZ, and did technical work for the large number of prepper folks there, one thing I heard them say ALL THE TIME, was “Those who don’t read history are doomed to repeat it!” The irony, at least to me, was that almost none of them ever read anything not a firearms manual, and barely read their Bibles, other than to apparently cherry pick it.
I have long thought we were going to fail, one way or the other, but failing because you spend more than you make is one thing, failing because you pour gas over your head and flick the lighter is a whole different (and likely faster) form of fail…
Us and israel the very best off Terroristes
Israel has been the victim of terrorists who continue to openly declared their intention to cleanse the whole world of all Jews, and those same hostile Arab tenants recently again initiated open aggression and committed many atrocities against those the world considers innocent civilians.
If you feel that you must flip the narrative and blame the victim when he is down and then blame the victim again when he stands up and defends himself ON HIS OWN LAND and against the Iranian government that aggressively supports those who initiate aggression against him, I feel very sorry for you.
“Live by the sword, die by the sword.”
Seems like a pretty famous Hebrew said that. In 1947 your people took that land by force, deception, treachery, and murdered those that were there. Jews were terrorist to the British long before the Muslims ever got involved.
Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin bragged about being the “original terrorist.”
“One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter”
You don’t get to cherry pick your dates and pretend like the Jews have always been the picked on innocent victims.
“Be not deceived, God is not mocked. For whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.”
“What you get it with is what you keep it with.”
“If the shoe fits, wear it.”
BS,
Perhaps one day, you will rise to the occasion and become a serious interlocutor. But first, you will have to wipe the foam away from your mouth and also give up your reliance on unhelpfully offensive and factually unsupported IDS, supercessionist talking points.
I am serious enough to make you look foolish.
“Professional victims are predators. I’ve never seen an exception to that. Whether it’s at a personal level or at a cultural level, anybody that’s a professional victim, they’re going to stab you in the back.” – Michael Yon
Are you perhaps calling Jews ‘professional victims’? If so, I think that on the merits, that is to your great discredit and you would then be on the side of the wicked perpetrators who initiate aggression against us with admitted genocidal intent.
The whole victim terminology is your words, not mine. Just food for thought if/when you present yourself as a victim.
No, I’m not taking sides in this stupid war that never should have happened. I’m with the 80% of Americans and I think many Jewish and Iranian people who never wanted this, never voted for this. I know Jesus wouldn’t be bombing Iran either. This is a catastrophic mistake for both Israel and the US. The details are already emerging. Not something I want to argue about, but the magnitude of this tragedy will become undeniable as time goes on. Maybe we’ll get lucky and Trump will declare victory and call it off like he did with the Houthis, if that’s even still possible. Even in the best case scenario, the petrodollar relationship with the Gulf countries is probably toast and I’m sure we’re now in a global war against Shia Islam. That’s just great.
On a personal level, I have the utmost sympathy for all those suffering, whether they be Jews, Ukrainians, Russians, Iranians, Palestinians, whatever….
TD,
I think you debase the dialog when you say I use victim terminology.
I ask you to rise above the ad hominem, etc., and consider the matter on the merits of each claim.
TD,
I am truly disappointed in your words. Shall we say to the woman who claims that she was raped, ‘Well, your words sound like victim terminology’?
Some people really do initiate aggression against others, and those others are, ipso facto, ‘victims’ of the aggressors. Are you of the opinion that if for whatever reason have some subjective negative attitude toward the victim that it is right to chastise the victim?
Those Shia Islamists have for decades declared not only that they want to destroy the USA, Israel and almost all Jews, but they declare that in triggering a big conflict they expect to effectively usher in their mahdi, their end times prophet… this ‘mahdi,’ by the way, being a very close analog to the biblical description of the Antichrist!
Why do these eminently confirmable facts seem to be of no interest to so many? After all, the Muslims in general and these Shia Iranians in particular are repeatedly informing us as to their motives; why not take them at face value?
Likewise, they have a doctrine that sanctions the practice of al taqqiya (strategic lying), and this makes them entirely unreliable in any negotiations. Why is this also of no interest to so many in the west?
As for Jesus, my study of scripture leads me to conclude that I think Jesus would indeed say that it is the proper role of civil governments to use minimally sufficiently violent force in the defense of their people against all initiators of aggression, such as these Iranian Islamists.
Jesus says something very different to his disciples, but that is a different matter entirely.
Chill out. You’re too hypersensitive to any viewpoint that you disagree with. Put personal feelings aside for a moment and would you be willing to offer your non-emotional analysis for how this is looking like a victory in any sense? There are many of us in stunned disbelief trying to understand how exactly this is a good idea for anybody other than a handful of uber-rich people (it may not even work well for them). In your mind, is this trajectory wrapped in religious destiny? I know many Christians believe this, so they’re OK with using human energy to force events on the ground towards their vision of Armageddon.
TD,
Again, you use ad hominem instead of confining yourself to respectful communication and the merits of any particular perspective.
And it seems to me that your comment that ‘there are many of us in stunned disbelief’ is evidence rather that it is you and others like you who might be emotionally blinded to reasonable arguments, yes?
If a landlord is absent from his property and while he is gone he retains title even as squatters move in, upon his return to his property, is he to be denied his property rights (in his person, his God given liberties and his possessions)?
And if the squatters try to kill the landlord and those squatters are actively supported by a very powerful and well armed and funded party 1,000 miles away and who openly seeks to kill the returning landlord, then it seems clear to me that the landlord has every right to defend his property rights against both the squatters and also their powerful belligerent supporters.
My position is, fundamentally, NOT religious but grounded in property rights, and property rights are things largely affirmed by the god of Moses and Jesus… and, I once thought, by you and others who are fellow members on this platform; in addition, the bible teaches that the core of the role of civil government is to use lethal force to defend the property rights of its citizens against those who initiate aggression against them, and I am surprised that more here do not give voice to this foundational and historically widely accepted principle. Iran and its proxies, including the Gazans, fall into the category of legitimate targets from both the US and Israeli perspectives.
Kindly respond on the merits and drop the personal attacks, or else I must conclude that you are incurably overcome by TDS/IDS.
Did the U.S., “win” in Viet Nam? Iraq? Afghanistan? Will this Iran war end with the same question? This is what Professor Jiang may mean when he says the U.S., will lose this war to Iran.
Reuters reported that Iran’s Revolutionary Guard had decentralized far down the ranks before this much-anticipated U.S.-Israeli attack. This strategy is meant to prolong this conflict since the thousands of autonomous cells will act without orders from above. The second goal of Iran is for these cells to inflict as much harm as they can on the U.S. and its allies.
This means that significant ground forces (not just the Kurds) will probably be needed at some point, and this will include U.S., forces to some degree. In fact, in my opinion, it is naive to think that U.S., forces are not already on the ground in Iran, in a limited surveillance and support capacity. I hope, and doubt, that it will expand beyond this.
But more importantly, what I want to ask Professor Jiang, after listening to his interview in its entirety, is, does he really believe we landed on the Moon?
LOl! I had the same thought about the moon landing.
I do not believe the US can wage all out war with Iran for several reasons.
-The American public is not for it and will not fill the ranks of the military to get it done.
-We don’t have the financial flexibility to get it done. The “cost” of Vietnam caused Nixon to default on the dollar in 1971. Then he had OPEC to pivot to, but now there is not “pivot” for us.
-The rest of the world is not going to stand for it. At some point, someone is going to step in rather than just sit there and watch the US batter another ME oil producer just so the US can control world energy markets and bully the rest of the world.
My guess is they will try the same thing they did in Syria. Use in-fighting and insurgencies to weaken their society to better divide and conquer from within while applying any and all economic pressures they can muster.
If, as Professor Jiang indicated, the desalination plants are that critical, why hasn’t Iran continued to target them and take them out? I see some critical infrastructure like that being their only chance to turn this. Like Luke hitting that exhaust shaft in the Death Star.
Chump just announced there will be nothing less that “unconditional surrender” accepted from Iran.
What in the hell does that even mean or look like? A nuke?
Saddle up.
That’s exactly what’s going to happen in a month or so. You’re going to start hearing the term “tactical nukes” on the propaganda channels, call it predictive programming, desensitization, whatever you want. This is already happening with the “boots on the ground” rhetoric, in which we’re being softened to accept this idea.
If the Strait of Hormuz doesn’t open soon enough such that producers don’t have to completely shut down, this will be an utter catastrophe. I’ve read that major shutdowns take some time to get back up and running, even if the passage opens up, and it’s not good for the wells. Trumpty Dumpty has promised to re-open the Hormuz but so far it sounds like bluster. Furthermore, it’s undisputable that the US relationship with the Gulf countries has been strained, if not shattered, which provides quite a few new nails in the petrodollar coffin.
Regardless of the facts of how this operation is going, or what potential changes are possible, that was an enormous “bluster” mistake spoken by Trump
If we can even possibly objectively know…
What is the bottleneck in the Straights of Hormuz?
Threats of missiles from Houtis? Other threats?
There’s no physical blockade.
I would defer to the military experts on this question but I’ll put in my 2 cents. Its easy to see that the bottleneck is pretty narrow, I think less than 30 miles. They say that the deeper water part where ships pass is even a narrower strip. Any ship trying to pass through there is highly vulnerable to drone and missile attacks from multiple locations. Such attacks are not theoretical because they have already happened. For this reason, insurance companies have said that they will no longer insure safe passage through this area. Imagine hiring a big ship to roll through there laden with hundreds of millions $$ worth of goods, knowing you’ll have to eat the entire loss if something happens and also knowing that something definitely will happen if you do try to pass.
I am pretty sure we….the US….want it shut down. For now. It serves our purpose.
We will not be the first to feel the pain from the loss of energy shipping. It will bring pain to those we want to feel it like China and India. Sometimes the terms of willing can be defined as “causing more damage than you take.” That’s the best we can hope for here.
Also I would like to note that the long term knock-on effects of this bullshit are going to look a lot like what the coronahoax bullshit looked like. Production will be squeezed, transportation/shipping will be squeezed, people will stay at home more,……AND PRICES OF EVERYTHING WILL GO HIGHER…..which is the ultimate goal.
LittleSteve
Well, this topic has certainly lit up the forum, good robust discussion.
I respect your views BUT you should maybe go back a bit further in modern history to the early 1950s in Iran’s case.
You mean the time in history….that is repeating itself….where the US and British intelligence agencies fomented a revolution because a prime minister named Mossadegh stood in the way of their control of Iran’s energy resources.
Or the part right before that where the British tried to destroy Iran’s economy by blockading it and cutting them off from their oil production. You know, like we have done to Venezuela for the past decade.
Classified documents have been released verifying our treachery and lies in that situation. Nothing has changed…..other than the Jews and Massod have taken the place of the Brits and MI6.
Can you explain to us why Iran built several statutes of Baal and had burning ceremonies in several cities just a few weeks ago?
RedOpal,
I am comfortable considering any and all arguments. What specifically do you have in mind? I cannot read your mind. Are you thinking about industrializing Iran, the CIA in Iran or oil deals with the west?
My national Jewish heritage goes back over 2,400 years in relation to Iran, and even further (~3/500 years) with respect to persecution of my people by Amalek, a descendant of whom rose to power under Persian rule and sought to wipe out all Jews in Persia.
Can we agree that ‘zionist’ means what I said, and nothing more?
For over 6 decades, Israel has used the United States of America very effectively to develop its large inventory of nuclear weapons (estimated to be at least 200 warheads). Israel has also managed to conceal its criminal actions, which involved, among other things, stealing American uranium enrichment technology.
The current head of the Israeli regime, Benjamin Netanyahu, was a former LAKAM employee. LAKAM was a highly secretive Israeli intelligence entity focused specifically on nuclear and scientific espionage (against the United States of America, of course). In the 1980s, Benjamin Netanyahu recruited an American businessman to obtain illegally 800 krytrons from MILCO, a top secret defense contractor based in California. These were high-speed electronic switches used as triggers for A-bombs.
No, I’m not making all these up. Perhaps it is the Federal Bureau of Investigation that made all these up, as documented in its now-declassified files.
https://cnionline.org/israels-secret-arsenal-its-not-so-secret-anymore/